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		<title>By: Dave from Albury</title>
		<link>http://blog.dfg77.net/2008/05/16/brendan-nelson-saviour-of-binge-drinkers-and-health-funds/#comment-640</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lemmiwinks, we&#039;ve been in a similar position to you in regards to private health insurance, although we&#039;ve avoided the surcharge over the past few years while we&#039;ve been on a single income. 

Our experience has led us to similar conclusions to you too. The public system has provided for the birth of our two children, a hernia operation for Buster Boy before he turned two, patching up Mrsdave after a fairly serious car accident and a vasectomy for me as the challenge presented by the Troll Princess became apparent. In none of these instances would private health insurance improved the service we received, however we would have been out of pocket for our premiums and the gap charged for the maternity stays and operations.

Health is an area where the profit motive can only reduce the quality of care. Most of the former mutual societies providing health care have been bought out by corporate interests who will always put put profit first. This is not a way to improve the quality of the health system.

BTW, Ambulance cover is a must, Mrsdave&#039;s accident would have cost us around $8000 if we hadn&#039;t had our $50 a year cover.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemmiwinks, we&#8217;ve been in a similar position to you in regards to private health insurance, although we&#8217;ve avoided the surcharge over the past few years while we&#8217;ve been on a single income. </p>
<p>Our experience has led us to similar conclusions to you too. The public system has provided for the birth of our two children, a hernia operation for Buster Boy before he turned two, patching up Mrsdave after a fairly serious car accident and a vasectomy for me as the challenge presented by the Troll Princess became apparent. In none of these instances would private health insurance improved the service we received, however we would have been out of pocket for our premiums and the gap charged for the maternity stays and operations.</p>
<p>Health is an area where the profit motive can only reduce the quality of care. Most of the former mutual societies providing health care have been bought out by corporate interests who will always put put profit first. This is not a way to improve the quality of the health system.</p>
<p>BTW, Ambulance cover is a must, Mrsdave&#8217;s accident would have cost us around $8000 if we hadn&#8217;t had our $50 a year cover.</p>
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		<title>By: lemmiwinks</title>
		<link>http://blog.dfg77.net/2008/05/16/brendan-nelson-saviour-of-binge-drinkers-and-health-funds/#comment-608</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 05:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting thread and comments.  Singling out the health care issue, I&#039;ve just had some first hand excellent experience with it.  The only private cover I&#039;ve got is Ambulance cover, just to hedge my bets, so I&#039;m a public patient and I&#039;ve had to pay the Medicare surcharge the last couple of years.  At first I was a bit resentful, but since private cover was about the same cost as the surcharge I didn&#039;t really see the point.  Being youngish and in reasonable health my hospital visits have always been through Accident and Emergency rather than any elective surgery so I couldn&#039;t see any benefit to private cover.

Most recently, I fractured my shoulder and hip, made my own way to hospital (I thought I&#039;d just torn some muscles) was admitted through A&amp;E and they operated on me as soon as they could.  I&#039;ve got 3 screws in my shoulder and a similar number in my leg along with a big plate thing (don&#039;t know the technical terms).  Apart from a private room and choice of Dr I&#039;m not sure what benefits I&#039;d have from private health insurance.  Since I was interstate and didn&#039;t know any of the Dr&#039;s anyway it&#039;s a bit of a moot point.

A couple of days after surgery one morning I asked for a transfer to my local hospital.  By lunchtime they told me they&#039;d obtained a bed for me in my local and were booking a flight but weren&#039;t sure what time it would be.  That night they came and told me the flight was booked for lunch time the following day.  I was transferred from a road ambulance to the air ambulance and was in my home town a few hours later, sparing me a 9 or 10 hour road trip in the car wrestling with a wheelchair at every stop.  Seems pretty good to me.

I don&#039;t deny that there are problems with the public health service, but what do you expect when it&#039;s been starved of funds and run like a business for the last however many years?  It&#039;s by no means perfect, the physio came to tell me I need physio 3 times a day but she&#039;d be around once a day for example, but try what happened to me without insurance in any country other than this and see how you go.  In the US you can have insurance and still be screwed if the hospital doesn&#039;t accept that company.

Here&#039;s hoping that Rudd ploughs a shitload of money into health and education.  Frankly I don&#039;t care if there&#039;s no budget surplus, it&#039;s our damn money to begin with so a big surplus like the Libs were so fond of crowing about simply means that either we&#039;re getting taxed too much or they&#039;re shortchanging public services (or, as it turns out a combination of the two!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thread and comments.  Singling out the health care issue, I&#8217;ve just had some first hand excellent experience with it.  The only private cover I&#8217;ve got is Ambulance cover, just to hedge my bets, so I&#8217;m a public patient and I&#8217;ve had to pay the Medicare surcharge the last couple of years.  At first I was a bit resentful, but since private cover was about the same cost as the surcharge I didn&#8217;t really see the point.  Being youngish and in reasonable health my hospital visits have always been through Accident and Emergency rather than any elective surgery so I couldn&#8217;t see any benefit to private cover.</p>
<p>Most recently, I fractured my shoulder and hip, made my own way to hospital (I thought I&#8217;d just torn some muscles) was admitted through A&amp;E and they operated on me as soon as they could.  I&#8217;ve got 3 screws in my shoulder and a similar number in my leg along with a big plate thing (don&#8217;t know the technical terms).  Apart from a private room and choice of Dr I&#8217;m not sure what benefits I&#8217;d have from private health insurance.  Since I was interstate and didn&#8217;t know any of the Dr&#8217;s anyway it&#8217;s a bit of a moot point.</p>
<p>A couple of days after surgery one morning I asked for a transfer to my local hospital.  By lunchtime they told me they&#8217;d obtained a bed for me in my local and were booking a flight but weren&#8217;t sure what time it would be.  That night they came and told me the flight was booked for lunch time the following day.  I was transferred from a road ambulance to the air ambulance and was in my home town a few hours later, sparing me a 9 or 10 hour road trip in the car wrestling with a wheelchair at every stop.  Seems pretty good to me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t deny that there are problems with the public health service, but what do you expect when it&#8217;s been starved of funds and run like a business for the last however many years?  It&#8217;s by no means perfect, the physio came to tell me I need physio 3 times a day but she&#8217;d be around once a day for example, but try what happened to me without insurance in any country other than this and see how you go.  In the US you can have insurance and still be screwed if the hospital doesn&#8217;t accept that company.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping that Rudd ploughs a shitload of money into health and education.  Frankly I don&#8217;t care if there&#8217;s no budget surplus, it&#8217;s our damn money to begin with so a big surplus like the Libs were so fond of crowing about simply means that either we&#8217;re getting taxed too much or they&#8217;re shortchanging public services (or, as it turns out a combination of the two!)</p>
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		<title>By: Salad In</title>
		<link>http://blog.dfg77.net/2008/05/16/brendan-nelson-saviour-of-binge-drinkers-and-health-funds/#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Salad In]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This pre-mixed drink issue is baffling. The cant from the harm minimisation crowd goes something like &#039;look, we know you will use heroin so do it safely&#039;. Yet when it comes to grog they get worked up into a lather and confuse the message. It would be nice to see a uniform approach to the use of drugs in society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This pre-mixed drink issue is baffling. The cant from the harm minimisation crowd goes something like &#8216;look, we know you will use heroin so do it safely&#8217;. Yet when it comes to grog they get worked up into a lather and confuse the message. It would be nice to see a uniform approach to the use of drugs in society.</p>
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		<title>By: raydixon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raydixon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another example of a &quot;political opportunist&quot; is Peter Garrett, who only joined the ALP because he (finally) realised (like Gough Whitlam said) you have to be in power to make a real differece. We&#039;re just waiting for Pete to carry out the 2nd part of that mission, umm ... plastic bag, anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example of a &#8220;political opportunist&#8221; is Peter Garrett, who only joined the ALP because he (finally) realised (like Gough Whitlam said) you have to be in power to make a real differece. We&#8217;re just waiting for Pete to carry out the 2nd part of that mission, umm &#8230; plastic bag, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave from Albury</title>
		<link>http://blog.dfg77.net/2008/05/16/brendan-nelson-saviour-of-binge-drinkers-and-health-funds/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave from Albury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wordpress assigns them automatically for anyone who doesn&#039;t have a wordpress account or a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.gravatar.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gravatar&lt;/a&gt;. I&#039;d recommend getting a gravatar as then you can choose your own icon.

Al, there&#039;s a great post by &lt;a href=&quot;http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/the-real-rudd-unveiled/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Possum Comitatus&lt;/a&gt; which addresses the impact of people dropping out of private health insurance, it&#039;s not an unintended consequence, it&#039;s part of reshaping the health system. It&#039;s worth a read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WordPress assigns them automatically for anyone who doesn&#8217;t have a wordpress account or a <a href="http://en.gravatar.com/" rel="nofollow">Gravatar</a>. I&#8217;d recommend getting a gravatar as then you can choose your own icon.</p>
<p>Al, there&#8217;s a great post by <a href="http://possumcomitatus.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/the-real-rudd-unveiled/" rel="nofollow">Possum Comitatus</a> which addresses the impact of people dropping out of private health insurance, it&#8217;s not an unintended consequence, it&#8217;s part of reshaping the health system. It&#8217;s worth a read.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://blog.dfg77.net/2008/05/16/brendan-nelson-saviour-of-binge-drinkers-and-health-funds/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way; who chose these icons that appear next to the comments?  What is Alex&#039;s supposed to be?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way; who chose these icons that appear next to the comments?  What is Alex&#8217;s supposed to be?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that is the good thing about Turnbull; his beliefs are non-party centric.  As a leader he would have the ability to get rid of some of the entrenched party views.  He looks terrible at the moment because he is trying to justify a position that he could not possible believe in.  Are you saying that he is bad because he doesn&#039;t want to play the old political game?  It&#039;s not about personal politics, so him jumping ship is not about being morally flexible, it’s about not caring who gets him there, as long as he does get there so he can make a difference.  Whether he makes a difference is another issue, but the point here is, given a blank piece of paper, whom, besides Kevin Rudd, is likely to paint a better future for Australia?  In my opinion he is on the better side of the republic debate,  he would have Australia as a player on a climate change issues and he would have had a hard look at the tax system.  His ideas on tax when he first came to parliament were embarrassing to the coalition because they weren’t that bad. 

Realistically, short of Costello coming back, Turnbull will be the next leader of the Coalition, so his plan is working so far.  Where would he have got if he followed his beliefs and signed up as an independent?  The guy is playing the game to get where he wants to be.  If we left politics to those who were grass root members, we would only ever get political results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that is the good thing about Turnbull; his beliefs are non-party centric.  As a leader he would have the ability to get rid of some of the entrenched party views.  He looks terrible at the moment because he is trying to justify a position that he could not possible believe in.  Are you saying that he is bad because he doesn&#8217;t want to play the old political game?  It&#8217;s not about personal politics, so him jumping ship is not about being morally flexible, it’s about not caring who gets him there, as long as he does get there so he can make a difference.  Whether he makes a difference is another issue, but the point here is, given a blank piece of paper, whom, besides Kevin Rudd, is likely to paint a better future for Australia?  In my opinion he is on the better side of the republic debate,  he would have Australia as a player on a climate change issues and he would have had a hard look at the tax system.  His ideas on tax when he first came to parliament were embarrassing to the coalition because they weren’t that bad. </p>
<p>Realistically, short of Costello coming back, Turnbull will be the next leader of the Coalition, so his plan is working so far.  Where would he have got if he followed his beliefs and signed up as an independent?  The guy is playing the game to get where he wants to be.  If we left politics to those who were grass root members, we would only ever get political results.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave from Albury</title>
		<link>http://blog.dfg77.net/2008/05/16/brendan-nelson-saviour-of-binge-drinkers-and-health-funds/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave from Albury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 06:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only said it was excellent compared to non Scandinavian countries, and it is miles better than the NHS or anything in the USA. 

Many of the problems with the health system in Australia is the awful creeping ideology of managerialism. That has been entrenched over the last decade and needs to go. Management theories don&#039;t work in health, education or welfare because they reduce everything to stats. Efficiency and quality are at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to health, you need to have excess capacity in the system so that you can cope with unexpected demands. 

Hopefully we will see an improvement in our health system over the next few years, the last decade certainly didn&#039;t improve things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only said it was excellent compared to non Scandinavian countries, and it is miles better than the NHS or anything in the USA. </p>
<p>Many of the problems with the health system in Australia is the awful creeping ideology of managerialism. That has been entrenched over the last decade and needs to go. Management theories don&#8217;t work in health, education or welfare because they reduce everything to stats. Efficiency and quality are at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to health, you need to have excess capacity in the system so that you can cope with unexpected demands. </p>
<p>Hopefully we will see an improvement in our health system over the next few years, the last decade certainly didn&#8217;t improve things.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 06:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Megan and I contributed around $1,800 over the last year towards Private Health Insurance that neither of us used. Now that the surcharge limit is being increased we will opt out of Private Cover, put that cash in a seperate bank account and it will cover our expenses. Instead of getting 20% of our expenses back in the future, we&#039;ll have the cash to pay all of it and not be out of pocket at all. Plus we wont have to pay the Medicare Surcharge!

How many people out there do you think will opt to take our path? I&#039;m backing plenty.

And whilst I agree that the health system compared to other countries is reasonable, it needs help and while we have such a large surplus hanging around why not use it to improve health and education?

And finally, as you would know i have a few people around me that work for NSW Health. They would be happy to tell you how the health system is hardly &quot;excellent&quot;. In fact Mum will tell you it is barely competant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan and I contributed around $1,800 over the last year towards Private Health Insurance that neither of us used. Now that the surcharge limit is being increased we will opt out of Private Cover, put that cash in a seperate bank account and it will cover our expenses. Instead of getting 20% of our expenses back in the future, we&#8217;ll have the cash to pay all of it and not be out of pocket at all. Plus we wont have to pay the Medicare Surcharge!</p>
<p>How many people out there do you think will opt to take our path? I&#8217;m backing plenty.</p>
<p>And whilst I agree that the health system compared to other countries is reasonable, it needs help and while we have such a large surplus hanging around why not use it to improve health and education?</p>
<p>And finally, as you would know i have a few people around me that work for NSW Health. They would be happy to tell you how the health system is hardly &#8220;excellent&#8221;. In fact Mum will tell you it is barely competant.</p>
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		<title>By: raydixon</title>
		<link>http://blog.dfg77.net/2008/05/16/brendan-nelson-saviour-of-binge-drinkers-and-health-funds/#comment-599</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raydixon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 05:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve always believed Turnbull joined the wrong party. He seemed destined to join the ALP after heading up the Republic convention and it genuinely surprised me when he became a Lib. I guess he saw it as a quicker road to the top given they were looking pretty entrenched when he joined.

I wouldn&#039;t say though that opportunists don&#039;t make good leaders. Look at Bob Hawke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always believed Turnbull joined the wrong party. He seemed destined to join the ALP after heading up the Republic convention and it genuinely surprised me when he became a Lib. I guess he saw it as a quicker road to the top given they were looking pretty entrenched when he joined.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say though that opportunists don&#8217;t make good leaders. Look at Bob Hawke.</p>
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